Erie Railroad Brief History and Description
At 2336 route miles in 1956, the Erie Railroad was the larger and more senior partner of the two railroads that merged
on October 17,1960 to form the Erie-Lackawanna Railroad Company. The Erie Railroad got its charter in 1835 to build a railroad
from some point on the Hudson River to some point on the shore of Lake Erie. It completed its line across the Southern Tier
of New York State in 1851, reached Dunkirk in May of that year and opened in its entirety. At 447 miles in length, the New
York and Erie Railroad, as it was then known, was the longest railroad in the world at that time.
ROSTER OF ERIE RAILROAD ROAD LOCOMOTIVES
EMD FT 5400 hp 4 units 700a-d--706a-d
EMD F3 6000 hp 4 units 707a-d--714a-d
EMD F7 6000 hp 4 units 715a-d--722a-d
Alco FA/B1 6000 hp 4 units 725a-d--732a-d
Alco FA/B2 6400 hp 4 units 735a-d--739a-d
EMD F3 psgr. 4500hp 3 units 800abd--805abd
EMD E8A 2250 hp 820-833
Alco PA 1 2000 hp 850-859
Alco PA2 2250 hp 860-863
Alco RS3 psgr 1600 hp 900-927 used on commuter trains
Alco RS3 frt. 1600 hp 1001-1027
BLW DRS4415 1500 hp 1050-1059
BLW DRS6615 1500 hp 1150-1159
EMD GP7 1500 hp 1200-1246,1250-1259
EMD GP7 psgr. 1500 hp 1400-1405
EMD GP9 1750 hp 1260-1265
Normal pairing of the E8s was as follows with odd numbered unit pointed west and even numbered unit facing east:
1.820-821
2.822-823
3.824-825
4.826-827
5.828-829
6.830-831
7.832-833
Typical operating cycle for the E8s, using 820 and 821 as an example was as follows: Hornell-Chicago-New York-Chicago-New
York-Hornell at which time the units came off the train and went to the shop for maintenance and any necessary repairs while
a fresh set went on the train they came in on.
As the Erie Railroad evolved, it absorbed scores of smaller companies that built the branch and other lines that would
later become part of the Erie System. The New York and Erie Railroad was the original company and laid the foundation for
a greater Erie Railroad to come. To this company were added lines to Buffalo,Rochester,Niagara Falls, Chicago, and Cleveland,
to name a few points that were associated with the Erie Railroad. Mr. Eleazar Lord, one of the Erie's founding fathers, was
the railroad's first, third, and seventh presidents. Other Erie Presidents included Benjamin Loder, Daniel Craig MacCallum,
the infamous Jay Gould, Frederick Underwood, Robert Woodruff, Harry Von Willer, and Milton McInness, to name many if not all
of the men who handled the Erie's throttle through the years. Of these men, it was Mr. Woodruff who began the railroad's dieselization
program with the EMD FT four unit freight diesels, all of which were delivered in 1944. Harry Von Willer completed the program
in 1953, when the last steam locomotive was retired. By 1956, when preparation for merger with the Lackawanna was begun, the
Erie operated 223 road locomotives, consisting of 324 units, and 152 switchers, which hauled 20,785 freight cars in various
trains. The passenger car total stood at 570, many of them coaches designed for suburban passenger service.
Through line passenger service in later years consisted of Nos. 1 and 2, The Erie Limited, 5 and 6 The Lake Cities, No.7
Pacific Express and No.8 Atlantic Express. In addition four pairs of trains serviced the Cleveland-Youngstown market, with
continuing service to Pittsburgh,Washington and Baltimore in conjunction with the Pittsburgh and Lake Erie and Baltimore and
Ohio railroads. This continued into the Erie Lackawanna era.
Of course, the Erie's east end, which was the railroad's birthplace, was heavily involved with commuters, since these
passengers were going to work in Midtown Manhattan and elsewhere in New York City. The main line east of Port Jervis
handled the most commuter traffic, particularly south of Suffern New York, with Alco RS3s and 1400 series EMD GP7s the primary
power for these trains. More on this later. Enjoy the ride.
ERIE RAILROAD FAMILY TREE
So as to get a rough understanding of the debt structure that plagued the Erie Railroad right up through the Erie Lackawanna
years, the following is an approximation of the Erie Railroad family tree as taken from an excerpt of a 1951 issue of Railway
Age Magazine:
1.Arnot and Pine Creek RR
2.Avon,Geneseo & Mt. Morris RR
3.Bath and Hammondsport Railroad
4.Bergen County Railroad
5.Bergen and Dundee Railroad
6.Blossburg Coal Company Railroad
7.Buffalo,Bradford & Pittsburgh RR
8.Buffalo and Southwestern RR
9.Chicago and Erie Railroad
10.Cleveland and Mahoning Valley Railroad
11.Columbus and Erie Railroad
12.Elmira State Line Railroad
13.Erie and Wyoming Valley Railroad
14.Erie Railway Buffalo Branch
15.Erie Railway
16.Genesee River Railroad
17.Goshen and Deckertown Railroad
18.Jefferson Railroad
19. Long Dock Company
20. Middletown and Crawford Railroad
21.Montgomery and Erie Railroad
22.Newark and Hudson Railroad
23.Moosic Mountain & Carbondale RR
24.Newburgh and New York RR
25.New York and Erie Railroad (parent company)
26.New York and Greenwood Lake Railway
27.New York, Lake Erie & Western Coal and Railroad Company
28.New York,Pennsylvania & Ohio RR (reorganization of Atlantic and Great Western).
29.Northern Railroad of New Jersey
30.Rochester and Genesee Valley Railroad
31.Nyack and Northern Railroad
32.Nypano Railroad
33.Paterson and Hudson River Railroad
34.Paterson and Ramapo Railroad
35.Penhorn Creek Railroad
36.Paterson, Newark, and New York Railroad
ERIE RAILROAD COMPANY-1956 PROFILE
Mileage: 2336
Locomotives:223 Road, 156 Switcher. Road locomotives consisted of 324 units.
Freight cars: 20,785
Passenger cars: 570
Miscellaneous (company service):739
Western District total 1278.3 miles
1.Marion Division, 269.5 miles
2.Kent Division: 205.2 miles
3.Mahoning Division; 370.7 miles
4.Allegany-Meadville Division;436.6 miles
Eastern District, total 1256.0 miles
1.Buffalo-Rochester Division 240.1 miles
2.Susquehanna Division, 611.1 miles
3.Wyoming Division, 77.2 miles
4.New York Division, 327.6 miles
Stations on the Erie Railroad
New York Division 224
Susquehanna Division, 118
Wyoming Division, 79
Buffalo-Rochester Division, 68
total Eastern District 489 stations
Western District Stations
Allegany-Meadville Division 118
Mahoning Division 88
Kent Division
56
Marion Division
66
Total Western District 318 stations
Total Stations Entire Erie Railroad: 817
Train Order Offices
Western District 79
Eastern District 83
Total Erie Railroad: 159
Major Terminals on the Erie Railroad: Croxton, NJ, Hornell,NY, East Buffalo,NY,.
Cleveland, Youngstown, Marion, Dayton, Huntington,IN,, Chicago 55th Street. Also Port Jervis and Binghamton.
ERIE RAILROAD OPERATIONAL SET UP
Since Hornell, NY was located at the geographical heart of the Erie Railroad, it was divided into two districts, each
containing four divisions centering around Hornell. Eastern District consisted of the Buffalo-Rochester, Susquehanna,Wyoming,
and New York divisions in that order, while the Western District consisted of the Allegany-Meadville, Mahoning, Kent, and
Marion divisions in that order. Hornell was also Eastern District headquarters in addition to the Susquehanna Division, while
the Western District headquarters was located at Youngstown, Ohio. What follows is a description of the divisions on each
district in a west to east order:
1.Marion Division- covered the main line from Chicago's Dearborn Station to Marion, Ohio. Major yards were at Chicago
51st Street, Huntington, Indiana, and Marion, Ohio.
2.Kent Division, covered the territory from Marion to Kent Ohio and included the Dayton Branch in its entirety.
3.Mahoning Division- covered the territory from Kent,Ohio to Meadville,Pennsylvania and included the Cleveland-Youngstown
Main line, the Transfer, Lisbon, and Franklin Branches. Due to the location of steelmills and other heavy industry, this territory
was often regarded as "the breadbasket of the Erie".
4. Allegany-Meadville Division- covered the territory between Meadville, Pennsylvania and Hornell,NY and included the
BSW line up to Buffalo, the River Line, Bradford Branch. Hornell was where the Western District ended and the Eastern District
began, thus ends this brief tour of theErie Railroad's Western District.
EASTERN DISTRICT
5.Buffalo-Rochester Division- consisted of the Buffalo-Hornell main line, the Niagara Falls, International, Lockport,
Attica, Lakeville-Livonia and Wayland branches. The latter two were the product of severing of theAvon-Corning line.
6.Susquehanna Division-covered from Hornell to Port Jervis, NY and included the Tioga Branch that ran from Lawrenceville
to Blossburg, Pa.
7.Wyoming Division,extending from Lackawaxen,PA down to Scranton, with a branch to Suscon from Plains, this was the coal
hauling territory of the Erie. As the coal traffic dried up, this division's existence followed suit. In severed form
portions lasted into the Erie Lackawanna years, before it was finally gone altogether, save the Lackawaxen-Honesdale branch
which also does season excursion trips as well as freight under the name Stourbridge Railroad.
8. New York Division- Being on the Erie's East End, this was Commuter country, with commuter service on the Main Line-Bergen
County Line, Greenwood Lake Line, NJ&NY, Newark Branch, Northern Branch, all taking commuters to and from their jobs in
Manhattan and other parts of New York City. Major freight classification yard was at Croxton, NJ, which is now a prime
intermodal terminal for Norfolk Southern today. Commuter trains still run on the Main Line,Bergen County Line, and NJ&NY
line with Sunday service to Port Jervis having been in operation since 1989.
ERIE RAILROAD PASSENGER OPERATIONS
The through line passenger operations of the Erie Railroad consisted of three pairs of trains a day each way between
Jersey City (Hoboken after 1956) and Chicago, consisting of the following trains: Nos. 1 and 2, The Erie Limited, Nos. 5 and
6, The Lake Cities, No.7 The Pacific Express, and No.8 The Atlantic Express, all making as many as 36 intermediate station
stops during their runs. Nos. 7 and 8s were maids of all work, being heavy on mail and express traffic, with passenger accommodations
tacked on almost as an afterthought, these two trains made late night departures from their respective terminals. They were
usually the longest trains of the bunch, often running to 20-21 cars or so behind the pair of E8 diesels hauling the train.
Starting in 1959, both the E8s and Alco PAs began to be modified with nose multiple unit jumper receptical and hoses, so that
the locomotives could be run in sets of three or four units depending on the train's power requirements.
Erie passenger trains were usually made up with the RPO lpost office car directly behind the locomotive, followed by
the storage mail cars and baggage car, followed in turn by one or more sleepers, the dining car, and several coaches. The
Erie Limited, which was the premiere train of the railroad, usually got the best equipment first, then the Lake Cities, and
the maids of all work ran with semisuburban coaches that were suitable for either suburban or through line service and equipped
accordingly.
In addition to the main line trains, the Erie also operated several pairs of trains in and out of Cleveland to and from
Youngstown, of which several were through trains to and from Pittsburgh, Washington, and Baltimore in conjunction with the
Pittsburgh and Lake Erie and Baltimore and Ohio Railroads. Two others, 628 and 629 primarily served commuters between
Youngstown and Cleveland. As such, these two trains were the last to operate in and out of Cleveland Union Terminal, outlasting
all other Erie passenger service by seven years. Final runs were made by Conrail on January 17,1977. The Cleveland trains
were prime assignments for the Alco PAs which sometimes ran in tandem with those of the Pittsburgh and Lake Erie Railroad,
whose PAs were painted in New York Central's lightning strip livery. In their final years, trains 28 and 29 were usually assigned
E8s 825 and 833, though ex Lackawanna E8 No. 816 was used occasionally.
The passenger trains of the Erie Railroad served such college towns as Olean, Jamestown, Binghamton, Kent, Ohio, Cleveland,
and Chicago, to name a few and handled considerable student traffic at break times and over the holidays. As a result, Erie
trains were often run in two sections during peak travel periods; this as much to take care of as much heavy mail and express
traffic as the increased passenger loads, particularly in foul weather.
The Erie's passenger service pattern remained intact into Erie Lackawanna Railroad's first months of operation, though,
by then, ex Lackawanna cars came to be mixed in with what had been all Erie consists. In addition, the practice of operating
the E8 diesels in consecutively numbered pairs faded away as the Lackawanna E8 fleet became part of the merged fleet and the
nose MU connections were installed allowing for three unit consists to be operated as needed.
Changes to the Erie's passenger service in 1961, consisted of the shifting of the Erie Limited and Lake Cities trains
to the ex Lackawanna route via Scranton, the creation of Delaware Division locals 21,21, 61-25 and 26 to keep the level of
the Delaware Division the same as before. Trains 7 and 8 remained on their all Erie routing.
The other part of the Erie Railroad's passenger operation were the commuter services, which were operated on the Main
Line, Bergen County Line, Newark Branch, Northern Branch, NJ&NY RR, Greenwood Lake Line, and Caldwell Branch. Timetables
for these services were colorcoded as follows: Blue for Northern Branch, Yellow for NJ&NY, pink for Greenwood Lake Division,
and a grayish white for Main Line and Bergen County Line trains, which also included the Newark Branch. This color coding
of the commuter timetables corresponded to the train designating lights at track gates used in Hoboken Terminal.
Since much of the Erie's through line passenger equipment was painted primarily two-tone green, the EMD E8 diesels were
delivered painted to harmonize with the cars they were pulling. The Stillwell car fleet, however, was painted solid green.
Unlike the through service, the commuter operation was characterised by multiple ride tickets, frequent service, with fairly
short trains, frequent stops, along with two peak periods of intense activity. Unlike the through line trains, the commuter
trains generally did not handle checked baggage and were usually powered by 900 series Alco RS3s, supplemented by the1400
series EMD GP7s and later the Alco PAs as well, which came to be used on these trains before they were put into freight service
in1967. Of these passenger services, only the east end commuter trains remain today under NJ Transit. The long since departed
through line trains have left behind a paper trail of timetables, tickets, baggage tags, and other sundry articles of historical
interest to enthusiasts of this railroad.
Unlike its competitors on the New York-Chicago run, the Erie Railroad's passenger service was not really crafted for
riders going the entire distance but was rather designed to provide a local service between the 36 intermediate stations at
which the trains stopped each day. Given the Federal Government's policy of subsidizijng the highway and airline competition,
what is surprising is that the Erie's through line passenger service lasted as long as it did, and that is a miracle in itself.
ERIE RAILROAD FREIGHT OPERATIONS
The Erie Railroad gained a reputation as a fast freight hauler that made it the route of choice for perishable traffic
moving from California to the east coast markets, such as New York and Boston, to name two of them. Solid reefers of fresh
California produce were hustled y Erie crews from Chicago to Jersey City's Croxton Yard for transfer into such New York's
produce markets as Hunt's Point in the Bronx, to name the best known one. These reefers full of produce generally moved in
solid trains received from the Erie's western connections, of which the Santa Fe was the Erie Railroad's biggest interchange
partner. Both railroads also exchanged passengers at Chicago's Dearborn Station.
The major freight terminal the Erie had in the Chicago area was at 51st Street,which also came to handle intermodal traffic
as well as car load freight. The Erie had a pair of trains which became known as The Flying Saucers. Nos. 99 and 100,were
the two hottest freight trains on the Erie Railroad at that time . As such, these trains operated at close to passenger train
speeds where track conditions allowed and each train developed into a family of 99s and 100s, Such as NE for New England,
PB, for Piggyback and so on. This distinguished each 99 0r 100 train from one another.
The next major terminal on the trip east was at Marion, Ohio, where several westbound 99 trains were combined into a
single train for the last leg into Chicago, while the 100 was split into several trains, with one going to New York, one to
Buffalo and Rochester, one to Maybrook. These were later joined by Train 74, which developed into a family all its own.
These three sets of main line freight trains formed the foundation on which the Erie perfected and refined its freight service.
They spawned sections that originated and terminated in such cities as Buffalo, Rochester, and Clevelend, and some of these
were split off at Marion.
One other Erie Railroad freight train that evolved into a family of trains all its own was the 98, a Chicago to New York
manifest train, which was split at Marion into NE98 and NY 98, while the 98 itself carried traffic destined for the Buffalo
and Rochester markets. The Erie yard serving the Cleveland area was 55th Street Yard (now Von Willer Yard), located at East
55th Street and McBride avenue as was a passenger station. It was supplemented by a yard at Literary Street Yard, located
in the Flats and another at North Randall for handling ore traffic, as the Erie operated a considerable number of ore trains
in and out of Cleveland.
At Youngstown, the Brier Hill Yard primarily serviced the steel mills in the area, but also handled other carload traffic
as well. Next came Meadville which also had a significent yard and was also home for the system freight car shop as well.
Further east was a modest yard at Jamestown, which serviced its furniture manufacturing customers and local industry. At Salamanca
was a more substantial yard, which primarily handled coal traffic generated south of Bradford, PA. Hornell, which was
the geographical heart of the railroad, was also home to a major yard and the system diesel shops. The yard stretched from
the station to ZY tower (now CP Horn) 2 miles to the east and had a freight house for LCL freight and every other facility
needed for the swift handling of freight. Dispatchers' offices were located on the second floor of the station.
Some of the operating patterns in the freight service perfected by the Erie Railroad carried over into the Erie-Lackawanna
merger, even after the Lackawanna's freight operations were blended in. Unlike the merger partner, Erie, the Lackawanna Railroad
had stiff grades through Dansville,NY and Scranton, PA to move its tonnage between Buffalo and New York while the Erie main
line ran along more or less a water level route much like the New York Central main to the north.
The Erie's early dieselization of its operations helped keep the railroad afloat longer than it otherwise might have
been when merger talks with the Lackawanna began in1956, as did the consolidation of the Erie's passenger operations into
Lackawanna's Hoboken Terminal along with some other freight and passenger facilities of the two railroads. Between Binghamton
and Corning, both the Erie and Lackawanna had double track mainlines that paralleled each other for considerable distances
along a 75 mile stretch. At strategic locations, track connections between the two railroads allowed the Lackawanna trains
to begin using Erie tracks between Corning and Binghamton, doing so starting on August 31,1959. Lackawanna trains then began
calling at the Erie stations of Endicott,Waverly, Elmira instead of at Vestal, Nichols, and the DL's own Elmira station. However,
the Lackawanna retained its own yard at Elmira.
ERIE LACKAWANNA RAILWAY FAST FACTS
Piggyback Ramp locations:Chicago,IL, Huntington,IN, Lima,Marion,Mansfield,Akron and Cleveland,OH; Sharon,PA, Buffalo,Rochester,Elmira,Binghamton,Syracuse,Utica,Norwich,and
Port Jervis,NY;Scranton,PA, Maybrook,NY, Croxton,NJ.
Service are: Six States: New Jersey,Pennsylvania,New York,Ohio, Indiana, Illinois as follows:
1.New York; 25 counties
2.Pennsylvania, 19 counties
3.Ohio, 19 counties
4.Indiana, 14 counties
5.New Jersey; 7 counties
6.Illinois: 1 county
Approximately 3000 miles of railroad serving 807 communities in the six state service area above, utilizing the following
equipment:
Locomotives; 526
Freight Cars: 21,864
1219 Misc. (company service)
501 passenger cars (used mostly in New York-New Jersey commuter service. 5 coaches used on the Cleveland-Youngstown service).
2300 piggyback trailers for intermodal service.
1971 Division Realignments
1.Marion Division, 449.6 miles
2. Mahoning Division; 523.0 miles
3.Susquehanna Division; 512.6 miles
4.New York Division; 434.6 miles
5.Buffalo Terminal Division; 55.2 miles
Scranton Division remained the same as before.
Major Terminals: Chicago-51st Street, Huntington,IN, Marion,OH, Buffalo,NY,
Cleveland-East 55th St., Binghamton,NY, Scranton,PA, and Croxton,NJ.
Featured Freight services: 74,98,99, and 100 families of fast freight trains between Croxton and Chicago.
Passenger Routes (Commuter): Cleveland-Youngstown, on the Mahoning Division. On the New York Division: Main Line; Hoboken-Port
Jervis, Bergen County Line, Pascack Valley Line: Hoboken-Spring Valley; Boonton Line: Hoboken;Upper Montclair-Boonton-Denville-Netcong;
Morristown Line: Hoboken-Dover (electrified),Gladstone Branch (electrified) Summit-Gladstone, and Montclair Branch(Montclair
to Newark, electrified). Of these, the Montclair Branch and the Boonton Line have since been spliced together, forming the
Montclair-Boonton Line. the last piece of the ex Erie Greenwood Lake line still carrying passengers has been shut down. While
most of the stations inherited from the Erie Lackawanna and its predecessors are still in use/existence, all of the equipment
used on the New York Division (now Hoboken Division under NJ Transit) has been replaced with new equipment bought by NJ Transit,
except for the Comet I cars originally bought for Erie Lackawanna in the early 1970s. These, too, are slated for replacement.
Gone are the GE U34CH diesels, which set the Erie Lackawanna commuter operation apart from those of the other roads taken
over by NJ Transit from Conrail. Going fast, if not already all gone are the operating personnel who began their railroading
careers with Erie Lackawanna and its predecessors. The spirit of The Friendly Service Route lives on in the commuter trains
of the Erie Lackawanna's New York Division, now the Hoboken Division
ERIE LACKAWANNA- GENERAL OPERATIONS
In this chapter will be presented several train dispatchers' sheets as obtained from George Elwood's Erie Lackawanna
pages and furnisehed to him by Todd Hollritt. These will typify operations on the New York and Scranton Divisions. To read
these; train symbol is the first column, engine numbers next, loads and empties, tonnage, caboose number, and time the train
was reported by that location in that order. Also to be discussed is the EMD E8A fleet including which units remained in the
passenger pool and which were modified for freight service, making Erie Lackawanna one of the few railroads to successfully
operate E8s in freight service. Union Pacific tried the same thing but for technical reasons, failed. The following is the
Dispatcher's sheet for the Scranton Division for December 17,1972.
1. WESTBOUND TRAINS
TBX 3646/2578 14 loads, 83 empties, 3873 tons, C309 0257
TC3 3320/3319 28x74,4300 tons, C326 1330 hrs.
SCX 2557/6352/925 om tow, 24x47, 3248 tons, C349, 0955 hrs.
CS9 3323/3651 1x50, 1400 tons, C338 2015 hrs.
ES99 CNJ3065,3063,EL3305, 15x30 2093 tons, 2330 hrs.
1819 1277 2x9, 471 tons, C131 2026 hours
SC99,3669,2521, 17x57, 2570 tons, C366
Elmhurst Turn, EL444, 0250 hrs, EL406, 0x1 at E. Binghamton 1645 hrs.
Trains assisted
2403,CNJ1554,EL1277 pushed TBX 3636 Scranton to Dalton
1245 pushed SCX 2557 Taylor to Dalton
2401/2411 pushed TC3, 3320 Stroudsburg to Gouldsboro
2. EASTBOUND TRAINS
BS4 3324/3327 24x16, 5052 tons, C307 1158 hrs.
PN98 3327/1554(CNJ)31x6, 2512 tons, C895, 1430 hours
SE98, 3067CNJ,3311,3324, 63x11, 5985 tons, C882,1653 hrs
NY98 801/3606 58x2, 4198 tons, C910, 1622 hrs.
PN98, 2551/3669 47x23,3526 tons, C366, 1857 hrs.
EL406, 3x0 at E. Binghamton, 1620 hrs.
Trains Assisted
2411/2402 pushed (?) Scranton to Tobyhanna
2403 pushed NY98 Scranton to Tobyhanna
2411/2402/2403 pushed 2404 Northumberland Turn Exeter to Taylor
BANGOR AND PORTLAND- Shut down for Weekend
Syracuse Branch
BS53 1273/1280/1270/1276 28x17 2798 tons
1902 1282
Utica Branch
1811 1262
1819 1277/1272
1812 1279/1274
1810 1271
Bloomsburg Branch
NU2, D&H311/301/312/307, 97x62, 8995 tons
1742 2412/2407/2409
NSMT 2404/2401/2410/2405, 99x1,9726 tons
EX EL462
In addition to these trains and any extras run, the train dispatcher's sheet also specified which dispatchers were on
duty during a given trick, unusual conditions and occurrances reported by train crews and other railroad personnel.
The next train shet to be presented will be the one from WC Tower, Waldwick, New Jersey, in the four track commuter territory.
It is dated December 18,1970 and is split into Eastbound and Westbound sections. Tracks 2 and 4 are the eastbound tracks and
tracks 1 and 3 the westbound tracks.
EASTBOUND TRAINS
Track 2
Track 4
Train Engine Time
Remarks Train Engine
Time
1104 953
0654
1158 921
0757
1152
0652
2/NY100 2521 0925
1154 1404 0659
RI-100 3610
0939
1108 829 0705
T-Car 500-1
1356
50 827
0713
Apollo 2 3648
1740
1110 915 0720
ECE 3665
2046
1156 830 0730
:Lite 953-931
2123
1114 929 0734
414 927
1112 826 0739
SF100 3632
2158
52 832 0748
NE74 2413
2151/2200
1120 1408 0756 dr. cripple WC
1118 1405 0800
1130 910 0833
54 2507 0859
1122 953 0905
1162 1403 0943
1164 1406 1043
1166 908 1244
1170 1405 1524
1172 918 1704
X150 1403 1725
X154 918 1811
X156 828 1838
1176 914-907 1844
Lite 923 2152 from WC Yard
WESTBOUND TRAINS
Track 1
Track 3
Train Engine Time
Remarks Train
Engine Time
1103 1405 0733
CBall 2455 0716
E.
1155 923 0810
BT Ord 3310 1350
X153 910 0815
HOB Ord 2510 1514
1105 953 0832
1121 828
1820
1157 1406 0957
1119 908
1822
1159 908 1159
CX Ord 3657 2046
1161 1405 1319
Apollo 1 2417 1937
T-Car ------ 1351 To SF
1163 1407 1450
1111 1404 1616
1165 918 1620
1113 1403 1708 145 ot
57 822 1711
1107 907-914 1737
1117 916 1954 315 5 min eng.
1169 830 1807
59 829 1825
1125 923 1825 261
1171 925/929 1845
1173 1403 1933
1175 922 1944
1131 916 1950 ot 84
1177 1408 2032
1133 828 2050
coaches 414 2107 off 1127
1179 1404 2144
Lite 1400 2149
Most of these trains utilized ex Erie Railroad Stillwell cars, while others used former El Capitan coaches purchased
from the Santa Fe and modified for commuter service. The Port Jervis trains consistently drew EMD E8A diesels for power. This
lasted until September, 1974 when the E8s and Stillwell cars were replaced with GE U34CH diesels and push pull cars. A few
E8s went into the Cleveland-Youngstown passenger pool and the rest went into freight service.
The 23 surviving E8 diesels were grouped into two classes: PE22-4 and FE22-4. As of January 19,1973, the PE22-4 class
consisted of the following units:816,821,822,824,825,829-831, and 833. The FE22-4 class consisted of these units: 809,810,820,826,828,832.
The FE22-4 class was regeared for a top speed of 65 mph while the PE22-4 group retained its 89.5 mph gearing. 826 handled
the last Lake Cities Train out of Hoboken, while 813 and 814 handled the final runs of The Phoebe Snow on November 27-28,1966.
ERIE LACKAWANNA- Through Line Passenger Operations- DL&W Side
The DL&W portion of the railroad was the more passenger oriented portion of the Erie Lackawanna, with such train
names as The Phoebe Snow, Pocono Express, The Westerner, The New Yorker, The Owl, and New York Mail, to name a few of the
trains that made up the Lackawanna's through line passenger service.. The following consists for Trains L3 and L6, The Phoebe
Snow, although of December 15 and 17,1959, are representatives of how the trains were operated during the early days of the
Erie Lackawanna's merged operations.
December 15,1959 consist
Engine 819 E8A 400 to 397 (Hoboken
to Buffalo)
Engine 812 E8A 400 to 397 (Hoboken
to Buffalo)
DL&W 2029 Express
Erie 6620 Mail
Erie 6644 Mail
NKP 329 papers
NYC 8681 Hoboken to Binghamton
DL&W 1812 Mail, Hoboken to Buffalo
DL&W 302 coach
DL&W 311 coach
DL&W 321 coach
DL&W 470 diner
DL&W 312 coach
DL&W 790 tavern-lounge observation.
J. Gilhouley was the Conductor from Hoboken to Scranton and G.V. McCauley was the conductor from Scranton to Buffalo.
December 17,1959 Consist
Engine 819 E8A
Engine 812 E8A
NYC 7483 Express, Hoboken to Buffalo
Erie 549 mail, Hoboken to Binghamton
DL&W 1812, mail, Hoboken to Buffalo
DL&W 304 coach
DL&W318 coach
DL&W303 coach
DL&W 470 diner
DL&W 321 coach
DL&W 790 tavern-lounge observation car
DL&W 10032 mail, Scranton to Buffalo
DL&W 10089 mail, Scranton to Buffalo
Generally, two sets of equipment were used to operate the Phoebe Snolw between Hoboken and Buffalo. As one set of equipment
was enroute in each direction, the other set was being turned and serviced for its runs. The same pair of E8 diesels
would be turned as well so that, say, when the westbound train arrived in Buffalo with 819 in the lead, the other unit, 812,
would be in the lead on No.6's outbound run from Buffalo. Here are a couple of consists for a couple of Lackawanna's
secondary trains:
No.14, 10/11/59
Engines 815,816
1755 RDG Storage Mail to Binghamton
1779 RDG Express to Binghamton
343 NKP Express to Hoboken
1817 DLW RPO to Hoboken
8257 NYC Storage Mail to Hoboken
Tioughnioga DL&W Sleeper to Hoboken
City of Painesville, NKP Sleeper, to Hoboken
108 NKP Coach to Hoboken
81 NKP Coach to
Hoboken
313 DL&W coach to Hoboken
312 DL&W coach to Hoboken
306 DL&W coach to Hoboken
463 DL&W coach to Hoboken
Train No.14 departed Buffalo with 14 cars and left Binghamton with 12 cars, which was about typical for DL&W
trains to and from Buffalo. This train lasted for several months oof Erie Lackawanna into 1961. Here is a second train out
of Scranton for Hoboken. This time, t wo F3s provide the power. Date of Operation: 11/24/56:
Engine 802C F3A
Engine 801B F3B
Conductor: A.J. Bateman, On Duty, 6:45 am
Engineer: F. Malley, On Duty, 6:45 am
Depart Scranton 7:21 am, 6 minutes late
2078 DL&W baggage/mail
318 DL&W coach
320 DL&W coach
788 DL&W Buffet
301 DL&W coach All to Hoboken
Ar.Stroudsburg 8:39am, dep. 8:47am on time
The DL&W passenger F3s were renumbered into the 8400 series by EL and continued in the passenger pool until 1963,
when they were first put into the freight pool, and then began to be traded in on EMD GP35s and other new road power. This
train got renumbered in the Erie Lackawanna restructuring of what had been the two railroads' through line passenger service.
This restructuring consisted of;
March, 1961, trains 1,2 and L5, discontinued Elmira to Buffalo
April , 1961, Trains L3 and E1 combined
April , 1961, Trains L6 and E2 combined
April, 1961, Trains L7 and E5 combined
April, 1961, Trains L8 and E6 combined.
At this time, Trains 1 and 2, The Erie Limited began runnint to and from Chicago via Scranton and Youngstown, with Elmira-Buffalo
through cars for Nos.31 and 32, on and off at Elmira. In addition, trains 25 and 26 were created to replace the throug hservice
formerly provided by Nos. 5 and 6 and Nos. 21 and 22 to connect with Nos. 1 and 2 at Binghamton.
In 1962, in conjunction with the railroad's desire to shut down the ex DL&W main line west of Corning as a through
route, trains 35 and 36 with through cars on and off at Hornell began operating via Warsaw, NY on the line through Wyoming
County,NY enroute to and from Buffalo. Trains 31 and 32 were switched to originate and terminate at Hornell instead
of Elmira to provide better connections with Nos. 1 and 2. This change was effected in July,1962 as was the shift of Nos.
10 and 15 to the route through Hornell, allowing theEL to downgrade and sever the former DL&W main west of Corning.
During the fall of 1962, the former DL&W station in downtown Buffalo was closed and the Babcock Street station established
the same day. Food service on trains 31 and 32 was discontinued as was the use of the Phoebe Snow name for these trains.
In 1963, nos. 1 and 2, The Erie Lackawanna Limited were rechristened The Phoebe Snow and the Erie Limited name retired
after 44 years of service. Cars for trains 31 and 32 reverted to connecting at Elmira for a time. In 1964, they switched back
to being switched in and out of Nos. 1 and 2 at Hornell and continued to operate as Hornell-Buffalo trains until they were
discontinued in 1964. Also in 1965, trains 7 and 8 were discontinued as passenger trains, but continued to operate as mail
and express trains Nos. 3 and 4 on the same schedule as before.
November 27-28 saw the discontinuance of Nos. 1 and 2, The Phoebe Snow, and its Delaware Division connections 21 and
22, leaving just no.s 5 and 6, The Lake Cities, as the only remaining passenger trains of consequence. Nos. 10 and 15
continued to haul mail, parcels, and an occasional passenger until May 23,1969 when No.15 made its last run while No. 10 was
annulled.
The end came for Erie Lackawanna through line passenger service on January 4-5,1970, when Nos. 5 and 6, The Lake Cities,
made their final runs. E8A No. 826 had the honors of taking the final No.5 out of Hoboken for the last time. This left Cleveland-Youngstown
trains 28 and 29 the only passenger service outside of the New Jersey/New York commuter z one. These trains continued to operate
for seven more years before they, too, were discontinued under Conrail auspices.
Today, the remaining commuter service is now operated by NJ Transit and Metro North Railroad, which has responsibility
for the New York State portions of the runs of commuter trains in and out of Hoboken on the Main Line and the Pascack Valley
Lines. The Montclair Branch and Boonton Line have been joined together forming the Montclair -Boonton Line, and thus providing
commuters on the line through service to Hoboken, and on some trains, a single seat ride into midtown Manhattan. Commuter
service has returned to Hackettstown and revival of passenger service to Scranton is currently in the works. In addition,
Steamtown USA continues steam passenger excursions out of Scranton to Moscow, and occasionally Mount Pocono, keeping the spirit
of Phoebe Snow alive.
ERIE LACKAWANNA-Premerger Passenger Operations.
The following are the schedules for through line passenger service that the Erie and the Lackawanna had in effect at
the time of the October 17,1960 merger. Table 1 is a condensed Erie Main Line Schedule for 4-24-60.
9 7 5
1 Stations
2 6
8
0045 0045 2015 0930 L Hoboken,NJ
A 1855 0905 2240
0230 0245 2215 1126 A Port Jervis,NY L
1643 0626 2042
0240 0255 2246 1136 L Port Jervis, NY A
1616 0616 2032
0516 0536 0046 1406 A Susqhehanna,PA L 1412
0357 1750
0518 0538 0048 1408 L Susquehanna,PA a 1410
0355 1748
0552 0638 0121 1443 A Binghamton, NY L 1338
0329 1712
0602 0638 0133 1454 L Binghamton, NY A 1328
0315 1658
0724 0822 0249 1618 Elmira, NY
1219 0214 1547
0838 0953 0405 1741 A Hornell, NY
L 1116 0101 1425
0850 1008 0415 1751 L Hornell, NY
A 1056 0051 1400
1047 1219 0605 1938 A Salamanca,NY L
0916 2259 1208
1057 1432 0615 1948 L Salamanca NY A
0906 2049 1158
1243 1432 0825 2158 Meadville, PA
0657 2049 0934
1258 1442 0830 2208 L Meadville,PA
A 0649 2042 0925
1415 1558 0950 2331 A Youngstown,OH L 0502
1921 0750
1425 1614 1000 2347 L Youngstown,OH A 0444
1906 0730
1544 1800 1114 0116 Akron, OH
0323 1757 0610
1803 2059 1305 0338 A Marion, OH
L 0055 1607 0400
1813 2235 1314 0348 L Marion, OH A
0045 1602 0350
1915 2217 1401 0444 Lima, OH
2338 1513 0300
1901 2205 ----- 0433 Decatur,
IN CT 2143 -----
------
1940 2235 1405 0502 A Huntington, IN L
2107 1306 0049
1940 2245 1413 0512 L Huntington, IN A
2057 1256 0039
2145 0055 1605 0725 Hammond, In
1851 1106 2249
2226 0130 1640 0800 A Chicago, IL
L 1810 1030 2210
These trains remained pure Erie consiss until equipment that got repainted with the name of the new railroad could be
put into service. All 14 E8 diesels got a special set of Erie Lackawanna decals to put over the nose logo and 'ERIE-LACKAWANNA'
for the flanks on the sides. The next table will show the former Lackawanna's passenger service between Hoboken and Buffalo.
This series of tables will illustrate the decline of the Erie Lackawanna's passenger service until the final runs of Nos.
5 and 6 The Lake Cities, on January 4-5, 1970.
Table 2. LACKAWANNA Timetable 9-5-60 Hoboken to Buffalo.
8 10 6
2 Stations
15 3 5
7
2359 1710 1000 0420 L Buffalo,NY A
1257 1915 0240 0455
0102 1818 1103 0535 Mount Morris
1130 1808 0122 0338
0121 1854 1122 0555 Dansville 1102 1750
0102 ------
------ 1909 ------- ------
Wayland 1044 -------
------- ------
------ 1925 ------- ------
Cohocton 1030 -------- ------
------
0200 1959 1158 0644 Bath
1008 1717 0025 0243
0225 2034 1218 0720 Corning
0937 1657 0006 0225
0244 2053 1238 0755 a Elmira
l 0908 1636 2338 0201
0254 2127 1243 0817 l Elmira a
0837 1630 2320 0148
------ 2218 1325 0902 Owego
0750 1549 2238 -------
0356 2248 1352 0917 A Binghamton L
0712 1520 2203 0045
0413 2355 1407 0933 L Binghamton A
0616 1503 2148 0028
0532 0104 1518 1049 A Scranton
L 0455 1355 2043 2325
0645 0136 1518 1108 L Scranton
A 0406 1355 2023 2305
0645 0311 1635 1240 A Stroudsburg L 0253
1227 1856 2150
0645 0316 1635 1247 L Stroudsburg A
0246 1227 1845 2145
0823 ----- 1807 1416 Brick Church,NJ
------ 1055 1711 2016
832 0458 1816 1424 Newark
------ 1048 1704 2009
0845 0510 1830 1440 A Hoboken, NJ L 0055
1035 1654 1955
Basic service pattern for the Lackawanna provided three trains daily in each direction between Buffalo and Hoboken. Some
of these were dovetailed to operate on weekend schedules different from those on weekdays. An example of this was Train No.15,
The Owl, which ran as No.17 on weekends and on a different schedule. One will find numerous other examples of this in Lackawanna
passenger timetables of the period. By this time, on the Erie side, only the westbound Pacific Express was dovetailed in this
way. This train operated as No.9 on weekends on a schedule different from that operated as No.7 the rest of the week. Starting
July 1, 1962, those of these trains still running, were shifted to the ex Erie line via Hornell, NY and the DL side was downgraded
to branch line status. As a result, Erie and Lackawanna trains operating on close schedules to each other between Binghamton
and Elmira (later Hornell), ran combined between those points. The next two tables, both taken from the final public timetable
of June 15,1969 show Nos. 5 and 6 The Lake Cities as being the only through line passenger train left of a once extensive
fleet and trains 28 and 29 between Cleveland and Youngstown, the last remaining service between those cities.
Table 3. The Final Erie Lackawanna Through Line Timetable. 6-15-69
5 Stations
6
1900 L Hoboken, NJ A 0845
1915 Newark
0832
1923 Brick Church 0823
1937 Summit 0809
2005 Dover
0742
2035 Blairstown,NJ 0710
2100 E.Stroudsburg,PA 0651
2118 Cresco 0629
2132 Pocono Summit -------
2210 A Scranton,Pa L 0539
2220 L Scranton,PA A 0532
2310 A Binghamton L 0430
2335 L Binghamton A 0430
0015 Waverly 0331
0035 A Elmira L 0315
0100 L Elmira A 0314
0125 Corning 0255
0220 A Hornell L 0210
0230 L Hornell A 0200
0303 Wellsville 0125
0350 Olean 0040
0410 A Salamanca L 0005
0420 L Salamanca A 0005
0440 Randolph 2338
0500 Jamestown,NY 2320
0529 Corry, PA 2250
0615 Meadville 2205
0645 Greenville 2130
0705 Sharon,PA 2105
0721 A Youngstown L2045
0735 L Youngstown A2032
0800 Warren 2011
0845 Kent 1935
0910 Akron 1915
1002 Ashland 1812
1030 Mansfield 1755
1045 Galion 1730
1110 A Marion L 1710
1125 L Marion A 1655
1225 Lima 1605
1350 Huntington,IN 1445
1331 Rochester 1255
1455 Hammond,IN 1140
1530 A Chicago IL L 1100
A notation beside each set of times read' Application Pending to Discontinue This Train-Consult Agent" told the story
that the end was near for the through line passenger service on the Erie Lackawanna. Both trains tied up at their respective
terminals for the last time at the end of January 5, 1970. After that, nothing remained but the matter of the disposition
of the equipment. Many diners and Pullman sleepers went to scrap, a few coaches were given over to the Cleveland Youngstown
service, others sold to the Delaware and Hudson, and still others sold to the Penn Central for conversion to commuter
coaches. The E8 diesels were then deployed to New Jersey commuter service and then freight service on the west end of the
railroad.
The two Phoebe Snow Tavern-Lounge observation cars went first to the Long Island Railroad, which used them in parlor
car service on its Montauk Branch trains, and then transfered them to Metro North Railroad, which continues to use them on
inspection trains and other special moves. The Cleveland Youngstown pool of E8 diesels consisted of the following units 816,825,833
and two other units. The following is the Cleveland -Youngstown schedule:
Table 4. Cleveland-Warren-Youngstown
28 Stations
29
1720 L Cleveland CUT A 0740
1729 East 55th Street
0732
1740 Lee Road
0721
1745 North Randall
0716
1752 Solon
0710
1759 Geauga Lake
0702
1806 Aurora 0656
1824 Jeddoe
0638
1830 Garrettsville-Hiram 0631
1851 Warren
0612
1849 Niles
0602
1910 A Youngstown L 0550
After trains 5 and 6 came off on the main line, the above schedule was all that was left of the once extensive passenger
operations the Erie had outside of the New Jersey commuter zone.
ERIE LACKAWANNA COMMUTER OPERATIONS- Fast Facts
Perhaps the most visible part and biggest cash drain of Erie Lackawanna's overall passenger operations were the commuter
operations in Northern New Jersey and Orange and Rockland counties in southeastern New York State. In October, 1960, these
consisted of the following lines and number of stations served by each line:
ERIE SIDE
1. Main Line, 87.5 miles, 25 stations
2.Bergen County Line, 17.2 miles, 4 stations
3.Pascack Valley Line (NJ&NY) 30.6 miles, 21 stations
4.Newark Branch, 20.7 miles, 12 stations
5.Greenwood Lake Line, 32.1 miles, 22 stations
6.Caldwell Branch, 5.7 miles, 4 stations
Total Erie Side, New York Division, 208.2 miles, 105 stations.
DL&W SIDE
1.Morristown Line, 41.5 miles, 22 stations
2.Hoboken-Boonton-Denville, 29.1 miles, 20 stations
3.Dover-Washington, 28.5 miles,
4.Sussex Branch, 21.5 miles, 5 stations
5.Montclair Branch, 5.3 miles, 5 stations
6.Gladstone Branch, 22.1 miles, 12 stations
Total DL&W side, Morris and Essex Division, 157.0 miles, 65 stations
Grand total for the New York Division 1960:365.2 miles, 170 stations. By 1976, this had dropped to 243.6 miles of commuter
lines serving 108 stations. This stemmed from the complete discontinuance of service on the Sussex, Caldwell, Northern, Newark
Branches and the upper portion of the Greenwood Lake line. Today, NJ Transit operates commuter service on 221.8 of those route
miles, serving a total of 98 stations on the former Erie Lackawanna District now known as the Hoboken Division. The following
stations have been discontinued:
MORRISTOWN LINE
BOONTON-MONTCLAIR LINE
Harrison
Roseville Avenue (Jct. Station)
Grove Street
Ampere
Rowe Street
Arlington
MAIN LINE North
Newark
Harrison (original station)
Goshen
Chester
Monroe
Middletown (original Station)
NEW STATIONS OPENED SINCE 1979
Harmon Cove-Secaucus (Bergen County Line) replaced by Secaucus Jct.
Montclair (Bay Street)
Mount Olive
Hackettstown
The Montclair Branch and Boonton lines have been spliced together into a through line in a move planned since Erie Lackawanna
days but not carried out due to the railroad's financial problems. Much of the equipment, save for the Comet 1
coaches delivered in 1971-73, has been replaced. These, too, are slated for replacement. Gone from these trains are
the GE U34CHs, which were replaced by 3 passenger v ariations of GP40s. Today, the former Erie Lackawanna lines are the crown
jewel in NJ Transit's rail operations. With the new station at Secaucus Junction, connections can be made with the lines
of the Newark Division directly. The Erie Lackawanna may be gone, but the spirit of the Friendly Service Route lives
on in these trains.
FREIGHT OPERATIONS AND EQUIPMENT
Soon after the 1960 merger, the Erie Lackawanna began to develop several families of fast freight trains taking the basic
service patterns of the Erie Railroad and building upon them. The 74,98,99 and 100 families of fast freight trains were the
result. 99 and 100 were originally nicknamed the Flying Saucers, as these two trains were the hottest freights on the Erie
and given priority second only to the passenger trains. They moved at up to 60 mph during their runs. The sample schedules
shown here contain representatives of the 74, 98 and 100 families.
98 FAST FREIGHT SERVICE
Stations PN98
NY98 SE98
Chicago L 1800
2330 -------
Hammond 1930
0300 -------
Huntington A 2315
0440 -------
Huntington L 2345 0500 -------
Marion a CST 0300
0815 ------
Marion L EST 1215
0945 ------
Akron JO Ps 1630
1415 ------
Meadville A 1930 1745
------
Meadville L 2100
1915 -------
Salamanca Ps 0001
2245 ------
River Jct. Ps 0145
0030 -----
Hornell A 0230
0115 ------
Hornell L 0245 0215
-------
Gang Mills 0430
------ --------
Elmira 0600
------ -------
Binghamton 0800
0630 ------
Scranton A 1000
0830 ------
Scranton L ------
0845 1600
Slateford Jct. -------
1145 1845
Port Morris -------- 1315
------
Lake Jct. -------
------- 2005
Croxton ------
1500 ------
These three trains were all that was left of the Erie Railroad's 98 family of fast freight trains, some of which were
in multiple sections blocked for different destinations. The next set of trains comprise the remnants of the 74 Fast Freight
Service as originally set up by the Erie, which was once the largest perishable carrier of the eastern railroads
74 Fast Freight Service (1974 schedules)
Stations MF74
NY74 NE74
PO74
Chicago L 0530
------- 0945
-------
Hammond 0700
------- 1105
------
Huntington A 1045
------- 1405
------
Huntington L 1115
------- 1415
-------
Lima
1330 -------
------ -----
Marion A 1530
------ 1715
-------
Marion L 1700
2045 1915
------
Akron JO Ps 2200
0115 2300
------
Meadville A 0300
0445 0200
-----
Meadville L 0430
0600 0245
Jamestown 0530
----- -----
-------
Salamanca 0800
0900 0525
------
Salamanca 0830
----- -----
-----
Buffalo 1315
------ ------
-------
Hornell A ------
1130 0735
------
Hornell L ------
1205 0740
------
Binghamton A ------ ------
------- ------
Binghamton L ------ 1530
1030 ------
Susquehanna ------
------ 1110
-----
Scranton A ------
1730 -----
------
Scranton L ------
1745 -----
-----
Port Jervis A -------
------ 1415
------
Port Jervis L ------
------ 1715
1745
Maybrook --------
------ 1830
------
Slateford Jct. -------- -2045
----- ------
Port Morris ---------
2130 -------
-------
Croxton -------
2330 ----------
2000
Even with these reduced schedules, the railroad managed to keep the quality of service surprisingly high right up to
the last day in 1976. That the Erie Lackawanna was able to manage this was made all the more remarkable by the handicaps
that this beloved and dying railroad labored under, particularly in those final years.
100 FAST FREIGHT SERVICE (1974 Schedules)
Stations 2/NY100 TC100
PB100 NY100
Chicago L 0430 1500
2000 2230
Hammond 0540 1630
2105 2340
Huntington 0850 2015
0001 0245
Huntington 0910 2100
0010 0300
Marion cst 1205 0030
0315 0605
Marion est 1345 0230
0500 0715
Akron JO 1700 0730
0830 1040
Meadville 2000
1100 1145
1330
Meadville 2020
1230 1215
1400
Salamanca 2310 1530
1500 1640
River jct. By 0050 1715
1645 1820
Hornell 0135 1800
1730 1905
Hornell 0140
1815 1740
1915
Binghamton ------- 2230
2045 ------
Binghamton ------- -----
------- -----
Susquehanna 0505 -------
------- -----
Port Jervis 0815 ------
----------- -------
Port Jervis 0840 -----
------- ------
Croxton 1100 -------
-------- 0415
NY100 operated via Scranton and handled primarily UPS trailers. TC100 and PB100 were run throughs with the Delaware and
Hudson and Boston and Maine. 2/NY100, likewise handled UPS trailers and occasionally operated with sets of former passenger
E8 diesels. Both the 99 and 100 families of fast freight trains were the Erie's flagships of the freight fleet. Some symbols
continued in use until Conrail could develop its own symbols. Some trains became D&H trains, while others were simply
dropped.
99 FAST FREIGHT SERVICE (1974 Schedules)
Stations ES99 TC99
SC99 NY99 PB 99 A/CX99 CX99
Croxton -------- -------
------- 2300 -------- 0300
0530
Port Jervis ------- -----
------- ------ -------- ------- 0800
Port Jervis ------- ------
------ ------ -------- ------
0830
Susquehanna ------- ------- ------
------ -------- -------
1125
Lake Jct. 1630 ------
------- ------ -------- -------
------
Slateford Jct. 1730 -----
------ 0135 -------- 0545
------
Scranton 2030 ------
2330 0345 ------- 0745
------
Scranton ----- -------
2330 0400 ------ 0805
------
Binghamton ------ ------
----- ------- ------- -------
------
Binghamton -------- 2300 0115 0545
0830 0945 1201
Hornell -------
0330 0530 0830 1145
1230 1445
Hornell -------
0400 0600 0840 1150
1240 1450
Salamanca ------- 0630 0830
1045 1415 1500 1710
Meadville ------- 0930
1130 1330 1700 1745
2000
Meadville ------ 1000
------- 1400 1840 1810
2030
Marion est ------ 1730
------- 2015 0045 0035
0305
Marion cst ------ ------
------- 1930 0001 2345
0215
Huntington ------ -------
------- 2250 0305 0250
0515
Huntington ------ ------ -------
2300 0315 0300 0540
Hammond ------ ------
------- 0200 0715 0625
0840
Chicago ------- ------
------ 0330 0845 0745
1000
PB99 and 100 and TC99 and 100 were run through trains interchanged with the Delaware and Hudson at Binghamton
and ran through to and from Boston with EL power . The three varieties of EMD SD45s (3601-3681) were the primary power for
these trains. This family of freight trains had its origins with Erie Nos. 99 and 100, nicknamed The Flying Saucer,
a name that stuck to these trains all through the EL years. A/CX99 and CX99 were basically two sections of a train designed
to operate via both routes east of Binghamton. Since the Erie dominated the merger, most of the freight train symbols in use
by the EL right up to Conrail were carryovers from EL days. A few ex DL&W train symbols managed to hang on right to the
railroad's last days. Next, we will cover the main and branch line locals that fed these main line through freights their
traffic.
Erie Lackawanna Freight Operations-The Locals
To feed freight traffic to its fast express freight trains, the Erie Lackawanna also operated a number of main
and branch line local way freights that serviced all stations along their runs. Schedules for these trains will be grouped
by division, beginning with the Mahoning Division.
Mahoning Division Locals
Table 1. BSW Branch
235 237
Stations 238 236
------ 0801 BC Junction
1205 ------
------ 0845 Hamburg
1145 ------
0815 0945 Gowanda
1045 1150
0830 ------- DM Junction
------ 1130
0845 ------- South Dayton
------ 1115
0915 ------- Waterboro
------ 1040
Table 2. Dunkirk Branch
239 Stations 240
1201 Dayton 1715
1245 Forestville 1631
1315 Dunkirk 1601
Table 3. Franklin/Oil City Branch
251 Stations
250
2230 Buchanan 0550
2315 Utica
0301
0030 Franklin 0130
Table 4. New Castle Branch
261 Stations
260
1050 Gardner Avenue 0940
1053 New Castle 0937
1126 Pulaski
0904
1141 West Middlesex 0849
1154 Farrell 0836
1157 Sharon State St. 0833
1200 Sharon
0830
Table 5. Lisbon Branch
271 Stations
270
1731 Lisbon
1615
1845 Leetonia
1530
1901 Washingtonville 1515
1920 Greenford 1455
1945 Canfield
1430
2005 Austintown 1405
2020 Mineral Ridge 1350
2035 Niles
1331
Train 281. Westbound only
Wellsville L 0901
Belmont 0915
Friendship 0927
Summit 0933
Olean A 0945
Only stations at which trains were scheduled to work are shown. All schedules taken from Timetable No.4 dated
February 29,1974 for the Buffalo Terminal, Susquehanna,Scranton, Marion and Mahoning Divisions. Others taken from companion
timetable for the New York Division.
Scranton Division Locals
Table 6. Bloomsburg Branch.
334 242
Stations 241
333
----- 1510 Taylor Yard
1230 --------
----- 1500 Old Forge
1240 --------
------ 1450 Pittston Jct.
1250 -------
------ 1440 West Pittston
1300 -------
----- 1415 Kingston
1325 ------
----- 1405 Plymouth Jct.
1335 ------
------ 1350 Hanover Yard
1350 -------
1630 1215 Berwick
1435 0900
1610 1125 Bloomsburg
1540 1000
1530 1000 Rupert
1605 1100
1500 0900 Danville
1635 1300
------ 0830 Northumberland
1705 ------
Table 7. Bangor and Portland Branch
225 Stations
226
0705 Portland
0555
0730 Bangor Shops 0530
Table 8. Chenango Forks-Syracuse
211 215
Stations 214
212
0215 1400 Chenango Forks 1010
2110
0230 1415 Whitney Point 0955
2055
0300 1445 Cortland Jct.
0925 2025
0302 1447 Cortland
0923 2023
0310 1500 Homer
0915 2015
0330 1520 Apulia
0855 1955
0405 1550 Jamesville
0820 1920
0415 1600 Brighton Avenue 0810
1910
0435 1620 Syracuse
0800 1900
Table 9. Additional Jamesville-Syracuse Trains
307 305 Stations
206 308
1910 0940 Jamesville
0420 1420
1920 0950 Brighton Avenue 0410
1410
1930 1000 Syracuse
0400 1400
Table 10. Syracuse-Oswego
203 201 Stations
202 204
1100 0900 Syracuse
1130 1530
1215 0800 Baldwinsville 1050
1430
1300 0845 Fulton
1015 1405
1325 0910 Oswego
0940 1350
Table 11. Utica Branch
209 219 221
Stations 220 213
220
0900 0200 ------ Chenango Forks ------
2200 0800
0920 0235 ------- Oxford
------ 2125 0730
950 0255 -------
Norwich ------
2105 0710
------ 0325 0815 Sherburne 0810
2035 ------
------ 0400 0845 Waterville
0740 2000 ------
------ 0410 0850 Paris
0735 1950 ------
------ 0425 0855 Richfield Jct.
0725 1935 ------
------ 0450 0915 Canal Branch
0710 1910 ------
------ 0535 0925 Utica
0700 1900 ------
Susquehanna Division Locals
Table 12. Honesdale Branch
293 Stations 294
0945 BQ 0930
1045 Honesdale 0830
Table 13. Wayland Branch
291 Stations 292
0745 Painted Post 1215
0800 Campbell ------
------ Bath
1145
0930 Wayland 1100
Table 14 Groveland Branch
249 Stations 248
2000 Groveland 1930
2100 Greigsville 1830
Table 15 Attica Branch
246 298 Stations
247 297
------ 0100 Attica
------ 2100
1255 ------ Batavia
1030 2045
1430 0230 Avon
0900 1900
------ 0315 Rochester
------ 1800
New York Division Locals
Table 17. NJ&NY Branch
1671 Stations
0930 North Hackensack
1100 Spring Valley
Table 18. Northern Branch
1301 Stations 1302
0800 Englewood 1000
0900 Sparkill 0910
Table 19. Netcong-Phillipsburg
1401 Stations
1402
1030 Netcong
1000
1212 Washington 0800
1245 Phillipsburg 0730
In addition to these trains, much of the freight service provided to local customers on the New York Division
was performed by what was known to DL men as Drills and Roustabouts, which were called at approximately the same time each
day, but operated on irregular schedules, generally using the first available operating window between commuter trains. Most
did not operate on weekends, except in highly unusual cases. We have presented a number of sample freight schedules
as taken from Employee timetables of 1974. Next up will be a look at the equipment used to provide that freight service.
ERIE LACKAWANNA FREIGHT EQUIPMENT
When the Erie Lackawanna Railway entered Conrail on April 1, 1976, the railroad's freight car fleet numbered
approximately 17,101 cars, of which 2952 came from the Erie and 4130 came from the Lackawanna, while the rest were all bought
new. These numbers reflect the surviving portions of the predecessors' car fleets that made it to Conrail still unrenumbered
and unrelettered. These cars were quickly bumped into maintenance of way service and soon retired afterward. What follows
is a list of these survivors by predecessor roads:
DL&W Cars
Flatcars, 40ft,40 ton DL&W 16211-16401
190 cars
Gondolas 53 ft. DL&W
68985-68990 2 cars
Gondolas, 49 ft. DL&W 69888
1 car
Boxcars, 50 ft XM DL&W 12000-12074
75 cars
Boxcars,50ft XL DL&W 12075-12098
24 cars
Boxcars, 40 ft. XM DL&W 48787,51228,51897,53104,
4 cars
Boxcars, 40 ft. XM DL&W 54000-55899
1900 cars
Covered Hoppers, 41 ft DL&W 18000-18098
99 cars
Covered Hoppers, 26 ft DL&W 18509-18597
89 cars
Covered Hoppers, 26 ft,DL&W 18602-18699
97 cars
Covered Hoppers, 26 ft,DL&W 19000-19299
300 cars
Covered Hoppers, 26 ft, DL&W 19525-19724
200 cars
Open Top Hoppers, 34ft,4in, DL&W85006, 85353
2 cars
Open Top Hoppers, 34 ft,4 in. DL&W 855535-86495 1160 cars
The 19000 series covered hoppers were used in cement service while those in the 18000 series hauled soda ash.
Many of these cars wound up in maintenance of way service on Conrail in 1976. This was what was left of a 12,000 freight car
fleet the Lackawanna had in operation in 1958.
Before we get to the Erie Railroad's surviving freight cars, it is felt appropriate to present the last set of
main line freight schedules to be operated by the Lackawanna Railroad as taken from Employee Timetable No.117, dated April
24,1960. They show, that, even on the eve of merger, the Lackawanna Railroad strived to give its shippers a first rate freight
service every bit as good as its passenger service.
1960 LACKAWANNA RAILROAD FREIGHT SCHEDULES-Eastbound
Stations BH2
A/BH4 NE2 BH4
BS2 No.20 NE4
East Buffalo 0100 0430
0515 0815 1030 1645
1845
Elmira 0650
0930 ------ 1230
------ 2015 2240
Elmira 0745
1000 ----- 1300
------ 2045 2300
E.Binghamton 0945 1130
1130 1415 2000
2215 0005
E.Binghamton 1030 1215 -------
1430 2030 2300 0030
Scranton 1345 1345
------ 1615 2230
0030 0155
Scranton ------
1430 ------- 1630
------- 0100 0230
Stroudsburg ------ 1740
------- 1930 ------
------- 0525
Port Morris ------ 1900
------ 2030 ------
------ 0645
Port Morris ------ 1930
------ 2100 ------
------ ------
Secaucus ------ -------
------ ------ -----
------ -----
Hoboken ------
2100 ----- 2230
----- 0500 0900
LACKAWANNA RR EASTBOUND Freight Service (Continued)
Stations
NE6 BH8
BH12
East Buffalo
2000 2115
-------
Elmira
0015 0200
------
Elmira
0045 0230
------
East Binghamton 0230
0445 ------
East Binghamton 0400
0515 1030
Scranton 0600
0715 1230
Scranton
------ 0845
1430
Stroudsburg ------
1400 1800
Port Morris
------ 1635
2140
Port Morris
------ 1715
------
Secaucus
------- 1915
------
Hoboken
------ 2000
------
LACKAWANNA RAILROAD -Westbound Freight Service-Part I.
Stations
HB1 HB3 NE3
HB5 HB7
Hoboken 1915
2130 2245 2345
0400
Port Morris -----
------ 2401 0215
0715
Port Morris 2100
2300 0130 0300
0745
Stroudsburg 2155 2355
------ 0400 0905
Scranton 2415
------ 0350 0610
1145
Scranton 0101
0215 0355 0740
1315
E.Binghamton 0230 0345
0515 0925 1530
E.Binghamton 0300 0400
0545 1025 1615
Elmira
0425 0530 0655 1155 1800
Elmira
0430 0535 0700
1230 1830
East Buffalo 0845 0930 1115
1800 2401
On Monday, HB1 operated from Scranton, from Hoboken as traffic warranted. All westbound trains were designated
as to days of operation, with some operating daily, while others operated on certain days, but not others as indicated in
the back of Timetable 118, from which these schedules are taken. Now for the rest of the westbound .
LACKAWANNA RR Main Line Freight Service-Westbound-Part II.
Stations
HB9 SB3
BB3
Hoboken
------ ------
------
Port Morris -------
----- ------
Port Morris 1225
------ ------
Stroudsburg 1325 -------
-------
Scranton 1505
------- -------
Scranton
1530 1130
--------
East Binghamton 1700
------ -------
East Binghamton 1730
1500 1300
Elmira
1845 1615
1420
Elmira
1905 1640
1440
East Buffalo
2300 2100
2000
HB 1 daily except Saturday and Sunday
HB3 Daily, except Saturday and Sunday
NE3,daily except Sunday
HB7, daily except Monday
HB9, daily except Monday
BB3, daily, except Monday.
Summary of Surviving Erie Railroad Freight Cars that made it to Conrail: Total of 2952 cars broken down by type as follows:
Box Cars: 1891
Covered Hoppers; 397
Open Top Hoppers; 3
Gondolas; 269
Flatcars: 392
CLASSIFICATIONS AND MAKE UP OF THROUGH LINE FREIGHT TRAINS
In addition to a schedule book, which was issued periodically, the Erie Lackawanna also issued explicit and specific instructions
as to how each through line freight train was to be made up at its originating terminal and reclassified as needed enroute.
The following is a listing of the EASTBOUND CLASSIFICATIONS:
1.Meadville-Buffalo
2.Jamestown-Buffalo
3.Salamanca and via
4.Hornell
5.Gang Mills and via
6.Elmira and via
7.Binghamton (including Binghamton proper,Scranton perishable, and all for S&U branches)
8.D&H-B&M Binghamton
9.D&H-Binghamton
10.Scranton and via
11.CNJ Taylor
12.Deposit
13. Port Jervis
14. Boston via NYNH&H Maybrook
15.Via NYNH&H Maybrook
16.Mahwah
17.Via Paterson (WJ)
18.New York Terminal
WESTBOUND CLASSIFICATIONS
1.Lima and via
2.Huntington and via
3.Marion and via (including Dayton Branch)
4.Hammond and via including:
a.Illinois Central-all loads, empty meat refrigerator cars,
and TOFC traffic.
b.Rock Island-all loads, empty meat refrigerator cars,and TOFC.
c.Indiana Harbor Belt-all loads, empties, and TOFC
d.Michigan Central (NYC-M)-all loads, empties and TOFC
e.B&OCT- all loads, empties, and TOFC
f.Monon- all loads, empties, and TOFC
g.C&WI- all loads and empties.
h.CSL- all loads and empties.
5.Belt Railway of Chicago- all loads, all TOFC loaded and empty trailers for the following lines:
a.ATSF (except cars included in Group 9).
b.BRC Proper
c.B&O
d.CBQ9 except cars included in Group 10A
e.C&EI (except cars included in Group 9)
f.CNW (except cars included in Groups 10C and 11)
g.C&O
h.CGW
i.CIW
j.CMSTP&P (except cars included in Group 10D)
k.CSS&SB
l.CWP&S
M.GM&O
N.GTW
O.IN
p.MJ
q.N&W
r.NYC
s.PRR
t.Soo Line (except cars included in Group 10B)
6.Belt- all empty cars for via BRC.
7.14th Street Chicago Freight House
8.CB&Q Chicago for direct delivery from 51st Street, including all empty meat refrigerator cars, and TOFC traffic.
9.ATSF-Chicago for direct delivery from 51st Street, including all box car loads, empty meat refrigerator cars, and TOFC traffic.
10.51st STreet Miscellaneous:
a. CEI boxcar loads, empty meat refrigerator cars, TOFC.
b.Soo Line-boxcar loads, empty meat refrigerator cars, and TOFC.
c.CNW boxcar loads, empty meat refrigerator cars, TOFC.
d.CMSTP&P-boxcar loads, empty meat refrigerator cars.
e.CJ_CRI-all loads and empties.
f.EL 23rd Street Team Track
g.EL 14th Street Team Track
h.Gertzenberg Elevator-51st Street.
j.Chicago Produce Terminal (CPT) all loads and empties.
11.TOFC Traffic for 51st STreet Chicago Ramp, including CNW TOFC.
12.Cleveland and via.
13.Creston N&W.
14.Meadville
15.Binghamton and via.
16.Elmira and via.
17.Gang Mills and via.
18. N&W(K) Buffalo-including all loads and empties.
19.Other Buffalo and via.
20. Buffalo Ramp- TOFC.
It was very important to Erie Lackawanna that the trains shown in the Through Freight Train Classifications,Times, and Connections
book be made up as prescribe in order to protect connections between EL trains and with those of other railroads, of which
the Santa Fe at Chicago, was the railroad's biggest interchange partner. As mergers occured since 1967, whose April 30 book
provided this information, some of the classifications were changed or redesignated over the years right up to the railroad's
inclusion in Conrail on April 1, 1976.
ERIE LACKAWANNA RAILWAY-END OF THE LINE
Through out its 151/3 year history, the Erie Lackawanna Railway only had two or three profitable years out of all that time.
During the first 10 years, the railroad had managed to get rid of its long distance passenger service, obtain state funding
to support and reequip the commuter service in Northern New Jersey, which had been a drag and a drain on the railroad's finances
as had been the opressively high property taxes, that helped force the Lehigh Valley Railroad out of the passenger business
relatively early and threatened to sink both the predecessor companies and the merged railroad as well. The Erie Lackawanna
nearly collapsed in 1963 at which time the call for help was sent to William White, a former Lackawanna president who began
his railroading career with the Erie, and was thus very familiar with the property. He spent the sums necessary to replace
worn out locomotives and freight cars and upgraded the flagship passenger trains as well, at least for a time. Other than
Bill White,Perry Shoemaker, and Gregory Maxwell, to name a few, the top management at the Erie Lackawanna was lackluster
if not downright incompetent in performance, especially since it was dominated by Erie men. A comparison of the Erie and Lackawanna
management made by Mr. H. Rogers Grant in his book, ERIE LACKAWANNA Death of an American Railroad, showed that the Lackawanna
clearly had the better quality management team than the Erie. Be that as it may, when Bill White came aboard as the EL's
Chairman, he proceeded to buy EMD's new 3600 hp SD45 as the new locomotive became available, thus allowing him to retire most
of the EMD F unit fleet, most of which was pretty well worn out. In addition, the Alco FAs went in trade on the new power
as well. The first 20 SD45s went into service by the time Bill White died in his office in early April, 1967. The railroad
wound up with 34 SD45s, followed by 15 GE U33Cs, which arrived in 1968. This modernization of the locomotive fleet allowed
the railroad to retire the most worn out units in its first generation diesel fleet. The Alco PAs, which had been placed in
freight service, had another two years of service left in them, when they began to be taken out of service in 1969 to be traded
in on new power. Modern locomotives and freight cars were not enough to keep the Erie Lackawanna from sinking. The state of
New Jersey's program to fund and reequip Erie Lackanna's commuter service, was another big help to the railroad, but the loss
of on line businesses as railroad customers relocated their businesses to other parts of the country hurt the railroad badly.
When passenger trains 5 and 6 The Lake Cities, tied up for the last time at their respective terminals on January 5,1970,
one could surmise from the discontinuance of these trains, that this was the beginning of the end for the Erie Lackawanna
Railway, little did they know, that, a little over two years later, in late June ,1972, Hurricane Agnes would prove to be
the final straw for the railroad, which then entered bankruptcy under Section 77 on June 26.
Even while Erie Lackawanna proceeded with the reorganization, the railroad proceeded to upgrade and improve its intermodal
business, which, at the end, provided 40% of the railroad's freight revenues. The coup de grace came with the recession of
1974-75, which forced the Erie Lackawanna's trustees to petition for inclusion in the restructuring process that led to the
creation of Conrail, which began operation on April 1, 1976, thus the Erie Lackawanna Railway Company had reached the end
of the line at that time.
ERIE LACKAWANNA RAILWAY-THOUGHTS FROM THE CABOOSE
Unlike the 1968 merger of the Pennsylvania and New York Central Railroads, which produced one railroad in name, which was
still two railroads in operation, the merger of the Erie and Delaware,Lackawanna and Western railroads was more thoroughly
researched and thought out with some moves to physically connecting the two railroads together beginning in 1956, when the
Erie Railroad moved all of its passenger operations into Lackawanna's Hoboken Terminal, a move which was highly indicative
of the two railroads' ultimate intentions. The next step came in 1959 when the two railroads agreed to use a single pair of
double tracks between Binghamton and Gibson,NY, at which points, track connections between the two railroads were to be constructed.
While physical integration was one thing, the actual operation of what had been two separate railroads as a single railroad
in name as well as in operation, proved to be an entirely different matter. Like Penn Central, a considerable amount of infighting
between personnel of the two railroads and other hijinks did considerable harm to the Erie Lackawanna as it struggled to integrate
what had been two separate railroads into one. Some locomotives of the DL&W had to be modified to make them compatible with
their Erie counterparts. Despite management's best efforts, the Erie Lackawanna, like Penn Central, could not succeed, for
there were too many forces working against it. Not the least of which was the growing numbers of plant relacations away from
the area served by the railroad. Throughout the 1960s, the Erie Lackawanna Railway gained the nickame of "Erie LackofMoney"
or ErieLackofWampum, depending on whom one spoke to. The EL also faced stiff competition from Penn Central, which itself,
was a sick railroad, the trucking industry as subsidized by the Federal Government at railroad expense. Thus as a result of
the taxes Erie Lackawanna and other railroads paid in to Uncle Sam, the railroads were supplying the rope with which they
would all be hung, particularly the northeastern roads. While the dedicated employees put on a brave face in trying to deliver
the best quality service to Erie Lackawanna's customers, it is ironic that this beloved railroad proved to be more profitable
to liquidate than to operate.
APPENDIX I. FINAL DIESEL ROSTER
EMD NW2 1000 hp 400-433 34 units
EMD SW9 1200 hp 434-465 32 units
EMD SW900 900 hp 466-497 32 units
EMD E8A 2250 hp 809-810,812-822
824-833 23 units
Alco RS2 1500 hp 901-917 17 units
Alco RS3 1600 hp 1001-1059 57 units
EMD GP7 1500 hp 1200-1259 60 units
EMD GP9 1750 hp 1260-1265 6 units
EMD GP7 1500 hp 1266-1284 19 units
EMD GP7psgr 1500 hp 1400-1409 10 units
Alco C424 2400 hp 2401-2415 15 units
Alco C425 2500 hp 2451-2462 12 units
GE U25B 2500 hp 2501-2527 27 units
EMD GP35 2500 hp 2551-2586 36 units
GE U33C 3300 hp 3301-3315 15 units
GE U36C 3600 h 3316-3328 13 units
GE U34CH 3430 hp 3351-3382 32 units,NJDOT
EMD SD45 3600 hp 3601-3634 34 units
EMD SDP45 3600 hp 3635-3668 34 units
EMD SD45-2 3600 hp 3669-3681 13 units
EMD F7a/b 1500 hp 6361-6363 3 units L
EMD F3a/B 1500 hp 7081-7084
7091-7094 8 units E
EMD F7a/b 1500 hp 7101-7104
7111-7114
7121-7124
7131-7134
7141-7144
7151-7154
7161-7164
7171-7174
7181-7184
7191-7194
7201-7204
7211-7214 48 units
A total of 63 F units and the 23 surviving E8as were all that were left of the once large battalion of carbody units
that came with the Erie-DL&W merger. The E8s were divided
into two classes as follows:
Class PE-22 (passenger equipped):816,821-822,824,825,829-831,833.
Class FE-22 (Freight Service):809,810,812-815,817-819,
820,826-828,832. 826 headed up the Westbound Lake Cities no.5 on January 4,1970. 813 and 814 each headed the westbound and
eastbound last runs of the Phoebe Snow. 811 was destroyed as a result of an electrical fire and 823
was stripped of its engines to repower a pair of Alco RS3s.
PUBLIC TIMETABLES OF EL AND ITS PREDECESSORS
Both the Erie and the Lackawanna railroads together issued a respectable variety of public timetable forms for railroads of
their respective sizes with the Erie having the greatest variety of timetable forms. Form 1 was the general system through
line timetable covering services between Jersey City(Hoboken) and Chicago and between Cleveland-Youngstown-Pittsburgh-Washington.
Form 2. covered services between Hoboken,Binghamton and Hornell (Later cut back to Binghamton in EL years), EL editions featured
both roads' routes between Hoboken and Binghamton. Form 7 covered the Erie mainline from Hoboken to Suffern, the Newark Branch,
and the Bergen County Line. Form 8 covered the Erie Caldwell Branch and Greenwood Lake Line. After April 1963, the timetable,
printed on pink paper included a restructured ex Lackawanna Boonton Line as well. Form 9. Covered the Northern Railroad of
New Jersey (Northern Branch) which ran from Hoboken (Jersey City) to Nyack,NY, but was later cut back to Sparkill,NY. Form
10 covered the parallel NJ and NY line to Spring Valley,NY, a line on which service has doubled in recent years.
THOUGHTS FROM THE CABOOSE
The Erie Lackawanna Railroad failed to make a successful go of it despite the best efforts of management under William White
and Gregory Maxwell for a number of reasons. Among these government subsidies to competing forms of transportation at the
expense of the railroad. Discriminatory taxation practices of the State of New Jersey,where the railroad had the bulk of its
commuter operations. Inadequate planning for the actual integration of the two railroads to function as a single company in
operation as well as in name. Intramural bickering among Erie and Lackawanna men over how the merged railroad was to be run,
and many of the same problems that helped sink the Penn Central merger of 1968 also helped to sink the Erie Lackawanna Railroad
as well. A shrinking freight traffic base did not help matters any. Nor, for that matter, the failure to merge the two roads'
through line passenger operations into a seamless through service it could have been. Mismanagement of the through line passenger
service where the last pair of trains, Nos. 5 and 6 The Lake Cities, failed, by over a year to reach the start up day of Amtrak.
Had these two trains been able to be continued longer, they might still be running today under Amtrak.
Failure to merge the operating timetables sooner than the railroad did. This gave the impression that there were still two
railroads operating under a single name and yet were still two in operation. Another was the inability of the Erie and Lackawanna
fleets of EMD E8A passenger diesels to be run mixed together in multiple unit consists due to the incapatibility of the types
of sander systems used on these locomotives; Erie E8s came with electric sanders while the Lackawanna units had pneumatic
sanders. These and a host of other minor operating glitches kept the railroad from succeeding like it should have. The biggest
factor of them all was the regulatory climate under which the EL and other railroads labored, which, in EL's case, made the
railroad's achievement of an annual profit in 1965 and again in 1969 more a matter of luck than anything else, despite management's
best efforts. Had these factors not come together to conspire against the EL, this beloved railroad might still be with us
today. The 1968 merger of the New York Central and Pennsylvania Railroads, followed by the absorbing of the New Haven Railroad
marked the beginning of the end for the Erie Lackawanna as a viable railroad.
SOURCES OF INFORMATION; George Elwood's excellent Fallen Flags website, ERIE LACKAWANNA-Death of an American Railroad, by
H.Rogers Grant, ERIE LACKAWANNA EAST, By Karl Zimmerman, various public and employee timetables, Official Railway Guides and
other publications in my collection.